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kmcsunshine
Posted 1/23/2010 11:14 AM (#3524086)
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But he sure did tell a lot of whoppers while he was fussing about it:

Obama says court ruling a blow to democracy
Saturday, January 23rd, 2010 at 6:02am

By Ross Colvin

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama launched an extraordinary attack on the Supreme Court on Saturday, saying a ruling on corporate donations to political campaigns this week "strikes at democracy itself."

Obama's broadside was triggered by a 5-4 ruling by the court's justices on Thursday that removed long-standing campaign finance limits and allowed corporations to spend freely in campaigns for president and Congress. In the ruling, the court's conservative majority said the limits had violated corporations' constitutional right to free speech.

The ruling is expected to unleash a flood of money into this year's congressional elections. Obama's fellow Democrats face a struggle to retain control of the Congress amid voter unhappiness over double-digit unemployment, a record deficit, political gridlock in Washington and other matters.

"This ruling opens the floodgates for an unlimited amount of special interest money into our democracy," Obama said in his weekly radio and Internet address.

"It gives the special interest lobbyists new leverage to spend millions on advertising to persuade elected officials to vote their way -- or to punish those who don't. This ruling strikes at democracy itself," Obama said.

In the 2008 election cycle, nearly $6 billion was spent on all federal election campaigns, including more than $1 billion from corporate political action committees, trade associations, executives and lobbyists.

REPUBLICANS PRAISE RULING

Democrats fear that a lot of the corporate money unleashed into U.S. political campaigns by the ruling will go to Republicans, traditional allies of big business.

Republicans already were expressing optimism about erasing the Democratic majorities in the House of Representatives and the Senate in November's elections. Republican control of either the House or Senate could cripple Obama's ability to get key policy initiatives through Congress.

Republican Party chairman Michael Steele has praised the court's ruling, saying free speech strengthened democracy.

Obama blasted the ruling the day it was issued, and expanded on his criticism in Saturday's remarks.

The Supreme Court ruling dealt a powerful blow to efforts to rein in corporate influence and could even allow foreign corporations to "get into the act," Obama said.

"It will make it more difficult to pass common-sense laws to promote energy independence because even foreign entities would be allowed to mix in our elections," Obama said.

It also will impede efforts to pass financial regulatory reforms and will give the health insurance industry "even more leverage to fend off reforms that would protect patients," he said, referring to the industry's opposition to his efforts to overhaul the $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare industry.

Obama came into office vowing to curb the influence of powerful lobbyists for banks, health insurance companies and other special interest groups in Washington.

He said his administration had barred gifts from lobbyists to administration officials and "closed the revolving door between lobbying firms and the government" so that no one in his administration would make decisions based on the interests of former or future employers.

Obama said he had instructed his administration to work immediately with Congress to develop a forceful, bipartisan response to the ruling.

"We have begun that work, and it will be a priority for us until we repair the damage that has been done," he said.

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foundation horse
Posted 1/23/2010 11:40 AM (#3524089 - in reply to #3524086)
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And this reply coming from a President who in 2001 denounced the SCOTUS for "not going far enough" on the idea of redistibuting wealth! There is an audio interview I have heard and will have to locate and post from a 2001 interview with a PBS Radio or TV Station out of Chicago with information I am referencing. I have heard it on 2 different occasions.
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kmcsunshine
Posted 1/23/2010 12:17 PM (#3524092 - in reply to #3524086)
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The way I see it, there has been no greater threat to democracy than BO himself......

So many of his statements just make me want to say liar, liar pants on fire......

We will have foreign money influencing elections?  I betcha that is nothing new!!!!!!

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foundation horse
Posted 1/23/2010 12:22 PM (#3524093 - in reply to #3524092)
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kmcsunshine - 1/23/2010 12:17 PM

The way I see it, there has been no greater threat to democracy than BO himself......

So many of his statements just make me want to say liar, liar pants on fire......

We will have foreign money influencing elections?  I betcha that is nothing new!!!!!!


hehehehehe
Just look back to Clinton and the Chinese.................yep Chinese Foreign Contributions disguised as American Contributors!
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kmcsunshine
Posted 1/23/2010 12:23 PM (#3524094 - in reply to #3524086)
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But it's all good if the Dems do it......
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foundation horse
Posted 1/23/2010 12:23 PM (#3524095 - in reply to #3524086)
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And then there is the unsourced Campaign Contributions that BO himself received "anononyously" (sp) vis the Web..................hummmmmmmmm
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foundation horse
Posted 1/23/2010 12:35 PM (#3524096 - in reply to #3524094)
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kmcsunshine - 1/23/2010 12:23 PM But it's all good if the Dems do it......

And therein lies the problem.....double standards upheld by a biased Main Stream Media!
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Sheepdog
Posted 1/23/2010 1:15 PM (#3524101 - in reply to #3524086)
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Uh.....what's all this talk about democracy?  We had better hope we've not become a democracy....so any threat to it is welcome.
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Posted 1/23/2010 1:35 PM (#3524102 - in reply to #3524086)
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Im not fooled by his lashing out.... Knowing his tactics, Im sure he is all for this, which is how he got elected in the first place... All hes thinking about right now is how he can get re-elected and he will stop at nothing, we already know that...

Of course I dont agree with the ruling... Corporations should not run the country. If he comes out and says hes for it, there would be chaos...
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Posted 1/23/2010 1:40 PM (#3524103 - in reply to #3524086)
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The answer to political speech is more speech... that's debate Not bricks, bullets, and clubs. That's fascism. Or, Worse more laws and gov't deciding who speaks. That's "fair speech" (Anything BUT fair)

The answer to political money is money from different sources ... that's competing interests. The present system allows the hiding of the money source. Otherwise known as bribes.

Corporations have the constitutional rights of its members. Corporations are not inherently bad. George Soros can spend any amount of his money to influence elections. Should not many people of lesser means put their money together to do the same? That's a corporation. Also, Remember newspapers and other media are corporations too. Should gov't decide what the media says or doesn't say? That's propaganda

Hell NO! ... SCOTUS has merely leveled the playing field.

As for Mr. Obama saying there's too much money ... He could have limited himself by accepting money from the campaign finance system. NO... he was able to raise & spend much, much more money by staying out of the system. Even though he twice, said he would stay in the campaign finance system. Rep Joe Wilson was correct ... Obama lies
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kmcsunshine
Posted 1/23/2010 2:26 PM (#3524104 - in reply to #3524101)
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Sheepdog - 1/23/2010 1:15 PM Uh.....what's all this talk about democracy?  We had better hope we've not become a democracy....so any threat to it is welcome.

Semantics SD.........for most of us democratic republic and democracy are interchangable, even if not totally correct.

Anything is better than BO for a dictator so let's not split hairs.
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paracadista
Posted 1/23/2010 3:32 PM (#3524106 - in reply to #3524086)
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FH,

If you can find that sound bite, that is good to listen to. What I remember of it, BO was talking about the civil rights movement an the Warren court.. He stated that the fundamental flaw within the US constitution was that is restricted what the goverment could do to you and did not state what the government should be required to do on your behalf.

My question at the time was, How is the president-elect going to take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States when he has stated that he believes that the document is fundamentaly flawed. I understand that the media would not dare pose a question that would expose this issue. Keep in mind that 5 days before the election BO remarked that "WE ARE FIVE DAYS AWAY FROM FUNDAMENTALY CHANGING AMERICA".
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Posted 1/23/2010 3:37 PM (#3524107 - in reply to #3524106)
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paracadista - 1/23/2010 3:32 PM FH, If you can find that sound bite, that is good to listen to. What I remember of it, BO was talking about the civil rights movement an the Warren court.. He stated that the fundamental flaw within the US constitution was that is restricted what the goverment could do to you and did not state what the government should be required to do on your behalf. My question at the time was, How is the president-elect going to take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States when he has stated that he believes that the document is fundamentaly flawed. I understand that the media would not dare pose a question that would expose this issue. Keep in mind that 5 days before the election BO remarked that "WE ARE FIVE DAYS AWAY FROM FUNDAMENTALY CHANGING AMERICA".

I have been looking off n on for months, now I will concentrate on it a little harder.................
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Posted 1/23/2010 4:25 PM (#3524114 - in reply to #3524086)
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Didnt mean to give you homework!
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foundation horse
Posted 1/23/2010 4:30 PM (#3524115 - in reply to #3524114)
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paracadista - 1/23/2010 4:25 PM Didnt mean to give you homework!

heheeheheh
Don't worry about it!
hehehehheh
I have been meaning to bump up the search anyway so I could compare this interview to current events. ehehehehehheh
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paracadista
Posted 1/23/2010 4:32 PM (#3524116 - in reply to #3524086)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

This will take you to the BO sound byte that I referenced.
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Posted 1/24/2010 7:42 AM (#3524120 - in reply to #3524101)
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Sheepdog - 1/23/2010 1:15 PM Uh.....what's all this talk about democracy?  We had better hope we've not become a democracy....so any threat to it is welcome.

ah....there's the first real key to this whole debate......i kept thinking that as i watch chuck schumer rant about this....
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Posted 1/24/2010 7:43 AM (#3524121 - in reply to #3524104)
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kmcsunshine - 1/23/2010 2:26 PM
Sheepdog - 1/23/2010 1:15 PM Uh.....what's all this talk about democracy?  We had better hope we've not become a democracy....so any threat to it is welcome.

Semantics SD.........for most of us democratic republic and democracy are interchangable, even if not totally correct.

Anything is better than BO for a dictator so let's not split hairs.

but splitting hairs is how you really come to understand something and come across like you know what you are talking about...
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foundation horse
Posted 1/24/2010 5:45 PM (#3524165 - in reply to #3524116)
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paracadista - 1/23/2010 4:32 PM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck This will take you to the BO sound byte that I referenced.

Thank you!
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Sheepdog
Posted 1/25/2010 6:34 AM (#3524175 - in reply to #3524104)
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kmcsunshine - 1/23/2010 1:26 PM
Sheepdog - 1/23/2010 1:15 PM Uh.....what's all this talk about democracy?  We had better hope we've not become a democracy....so any threat to it is welcome.

Semantics SD.........for most of us democratic republic and democracy are interchangable, even if not totally correct.

Anything is better than BO for a dictator so let's not split hairs.


Semantics?  There is enough misconception and misdirection in this country.....the meaning of words matter, the true form of government that we have matters.  Democratic republic?  I hope not as those two are mutually exclusive and this description is most often used to describe communist nations..  We are a Constitutional or Representative Republic that elects it's representatives through aspects of democracy but being very careful as to NOT become one.  This is not splitting hairs and these two terms should not be interchangeable as they cannot and, God willing, should not coexist. 
Not to worry, dear leader couldn't ever reach dictator status.....his own party will eat him alive before he gets there.

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Posted 1/25/2010 7:06 AM (#3524179 - in reply to #3524086)
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I don't agree with the ruling... the next thing we'd see is a candidate wearing a FORD T-Shirt on the campaign trail....   lol...    


"Palin, built FORD TOUGH"

  I know why Obama is against it.   Big corporations fare better under a GOP leader.... 
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Posted 1/25/2010 8:28 AM (#3524181 - in reply to #3524179)
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RidenFly - 1/25/2010 7:06 AM I don't agree with the ruling... the next thing we'd see is a candidate wearing a FORD T-Shirt on the campaign trail....   lol...    


"Palin, built FORD TOUGH"

  I know why Obama is against it.   Big corporations fare better under a GOP leader.... 





What's so wrong with that -- if it's OK for them to wear "Acorn, for Obama" or "Unions, for ___" .  It's about time, the double standard was zapped, as far as I'm concerned. 

The only special interest that the Democrats have a problem with are the one's fighting  for free enterprize & profits.  Profit makes the world go round!  and without it -- we get what we've had this last year or so.....
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Posted 1/25/2010 8:58 AM (#3524182 - in reply to #3524086)
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That's too much special interest for my taste.   I don't care if Obama did it,  doesn't mean we need to jump off the bridge too.   I would think it's against the constitution also  but I would need SheepDog to chime in and correct me if im wrong here.
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Posted 1/25/2010 9:47 AM (#3524183 - in reply to #3524086)
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The supreme court just deemed it Constitutional as part of the 1st Amendment.  Makes sense to me being that corporations are nothing more than groups of people.  I see no problem with corporations being able to support a candidate....not like they don't now behind closed doors through loop hole donations amounting to millions.  Seems like corporate suicide for a corporation to outwardly choose sides and it will backfire against both backward and broken  conjoined twin parties.
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Posted 1/25/2010 9:54 AM (#3524184 - in reply to #3524183)
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Sheepdog - 1/26/2010 7:47 AM The supreme court just deemed it Constitutional as part of the 1st Amendment.  Makes sense to me being that corporations are nothing more than groups of people.  I see no problem with corporations being able to support a candidate....not like they don't now behind closed doors through loop hole donations amounting to millions.  Seems like corporate suicide for a corporation to outwardly choose sides and it will backfire against both backward and broken  conjoined twin parties.

  Right.  That was my also in the back of my mind.   Why would any company stick thier necks out for a candidate if in fact that person turns out to pull a bonehead move like Edwards did?   It's stupid.
  But I don't agree that corporations are just big groups of people.   Most of us don't have billions to donate to a candidate of our choosing.   It seperates the have's and the have nots when all should have an equal voice.
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