HotbearLVR - 3/10/2010 3:56 PM As if they have nothing better to do than to sit around and figure out another way to track us like livestock.  These cards don't sound inexpensive...DNA typing, bar codes, etc...  Dirty rotten, scum sucking, no-good-for-nothing, lying, conniving, slithering, sleezy, bastards.   

RQH - 3/12/2010 5:36 PM

I've been giving this particular subject a great deal of thought today and I've come to a rather perplexing question about this entire program.  Not just this particular biometric proposal, but this national ID program was proposed three years ago but was tabled because of the backlash and lack of Congressional support it was receiving then.

However, here we are again and here's my problem.  Under the 1A, we have the freedom of religion.  That basic fundemental right to worship and follow God's word (I realize it encompasses all faiths, but I'm a follower of Christ and therefore they do not count in this instance) according to our faith.  It can be argued extensively that many of the principles that we hold so dear in this country are based in Christianity.  We are to be free of religious persecution from this nation's government.  And yet, knowing full well what the book of Revelation contains concerning the mark of the beast, Congressmen still continue w/ crap like this.  When I read the part of this article about taking workers in and having their hands scanned, I not only raise my eyebrows, but cringe.  If this crap passes, may I opt myself and my family out because of my faith? 

Why in the world even pursue something like this, knowing full well that every Christian in this country is thinking the very same thing when the read or hear about this?  How is something like THIS not a clear violation of my freedom of religion?

NeNe - 3/13/2010 9:49 AM
Years and years ago, I can remember my Sunday School teacher talking about how in the end days we would be a "cashless society". (I regret to admit I can't reference the verse it came from) Back then no one had any idea how they would pull that off. A decade or so later debit cards are introduced. Present day, I for one can say I almost never have actual cash on me. I can easily see how the world will later be transitioned to the "cashless society" the Bible speaks of. All of this is a gradual shift. Peoples heart's are hardened. Those in "power" I think have already sold their soul so to speak without even being aware of it. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am curious if we will be able to opt out as well. I would think that for now we will be able to. If they were to force this right away too many people would freak. Make it optional, show "the people" the good it does and get their trust. Later when the stuff hits the fan everyone will follow right along with the master plan like good sheeple.

CJE - 3/13/2010 11:14 AM Rev. 13:16
He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,

foundation horse - 3/13/2010 1:03 PM
And right there is where the microchip technology that I referenced in pet id is used or will be used in Biblical Context.

srs - 3/13/2010 10:25 AM A complete biblical study of the "right hand" and "forehead" marks as they are used throughout the OT and NT make it clear that this is not a physical tatoo, chip or anything else as has become the standard teaching in recent times.  It is a figure of speech.  When I say, "I kicked a$$ in the barrel race."  I didn't physically kick anyone in the butt.  It's a figure of speech.  Likewise, is the "mark in/on the right hand and forehead. 

The significance of these two "body parts" is high.  The right hand is a physical place of honor; the dominant hand used to work; the hand used to seal an agreement.  So, the mark on the right hand shows allegiance with, working for and agreeing with anything that is "instead of Christ."  Likewise, "in" the forehead, as it is translated properly...what is "in" your forehead?  Your mind.  Each and every action begins with a thought.  To tread even deeper, the anatomy of your brain is such that the frontal lobe (located basically in your forehead) is of primary importance.

Christians, as a whole, think of the antichrist as this fire-breathing being that's going to run around cutting people's heads off.  No.  Better translated as "instead of Christ" , we are looking at a primarily spiritual battle that has been occurring since Christ rose into the heavens with Moses and Elijah at each side.  ANYTHING that takes a priority in our lives above our service to Jesus Christ and His Church is taking on the mark of the beast...the antichrist.  With our right hand, we are showing our allegiance and who/what we are in agreement with and who we serve.  With our forehead, our thoughts tell the tale because they become our actions.  The "forehead" and the "right hand" are inseparable.

Antichrist...instead of Christ...look around and you'll see it everywhere.  There are a whole lot of people who already carry that mark on their right hand and forehead.  No chip or card is necessary.

srs - 3/13/2010 1:25 PM A complete biblical study of the "right hand" and "forehead" marks as they are used throughout the OT and NT make it clear that this is not a physical tatoo, chip or anything else as has become the standard teaching in recent times.  It is a figure of speech.  When I say, "I kicked a$$ in the barrel race."  I didn't physically kick anyone in the butt.  It's a figure of speech.  Likewise, is the "mark in/on the right hand and forehead. 

The significance of these two "body parts" is high.  The right hand is a physical place of honor; the dominant hand used to work; the hand used to seal an agreement.  So, the mark on the right hand shows allegiance with, working for and agreeing with anything that is "instead of Christ."  Likewise, "in" the forehead, as it is translated properly...what is "in" your forehead?  Your mind.  Each and every action begins with a thought.  To tread even deeper, the anatomy of your brain is such that the frontal lobe (located basically in your forehead) is of primary importance.

Christians, as a whole, think of the antichrist as this fire-breathing being that's going to run around cutting people's heads off.  No.  Better translated as "instead of Christ" , we are looking at a primarily spiritual battle that has been occurring since Christ rose into the heavens with Moses and Elijah at each side.  ANYTHING that takes a priority in our lives above our service to Jesus Christ and His Church is taking on the mark of the beast...the antichrist.  With our right hand, we are showing our allegiance and who/what we are in agreement with and who we serve.  With our forehead, our thoughts tell the tale because they become our actions.  The "forehead" and the "right hand" are inseparable.

Antichrist...instead of Christ...look around and you'll see it everywhere.  There are a whole lot of people who already carry that mark on their right hand and forehead.  No chip or card is necessary.

rose - 3/13/2010 1:30 PM
I sooooooo agree.  And, new ones continue be bound into books and preached from the pulpit each and every day.

srs - 3/13/2010 5:07 PM
Hal Lindsey has stated something very similar.

rose - 3/13/2010 1:30 PM
I sooooooo agree.  And, new ones continue be bound into books and preached from the pulpit each and every day.

rose - 3/13/2010 7:21 PM
What I don't understand is why would God need a barcode to figure out who the goats are and who the sheep are not?  Is he not God and thus all seeing, all knowing and all powerful or not? This really is one of those situations where C.S. Lewis was referring to when he said if you have to read only one type of book read old ones not new ones because you are less likely to be lead astray by the old!

srs - 3/13/2010 5:56 PM CJE, I'm not meaning that there aren't times of great persecution lying in store for the Church.  As there has been in the past (from the apostles all the way to, say, Russia, for example), as there is today (too many countries to list that imprison/execute believers), then there most certainly will be in the future.  What I'm saying is that no physical mark is necessary.  Just as Daniel didn't require a physical mark because he had the "mark" on his right hand and in his forehead and it showed in his thoughts and actions.  Therefore, he refused to bow to the manmade image of the king.  Daniel refused to denounce his God...he refused the "mark" and he sent to the lions den.  Likewise there have been, are today and will continue to be people who refuse that "mark" and go without food and worse...die for it.  (Though certainly not in America.  We have no idea what 'persecution' is. But that's another topic.) 

Suffering and dying for one's Christian faith is the result of refusing the mark.  And that has been occurring since Christ's transfiguration and will continue until His return.  In other words.............the "end times" began the day that human beings became unable to reach out and touch our Savior and they will continue until His return.

Study the history of the millions and millions of Christians who have already been refused food, shelter, were tortured and died for their faith in the past 2000 years.  Why were they refused food?  Why did they die?  Because they refused the mark of the beast.  It has happened.  It is happening.  It will continue to happen.